City Lights Long Distance Event
Mark the diary for Sunday 4th March 2012, and find a partner for City Lights.
Previous entrants will know this is a unique race and a good challenge. Starting from Riverton Bridge, the race makes its way down to the junction with the Swan and up into Perth Waters. From unpredictable open waters we wind our way up past Burswood and into the tranquillity of Ascot Waters, finishing after dark at Ascot Kayak Club.
A relay team option makes the race more accessible to a range of paddlers. Total distance is 30km, or in a team tackle 13km or 17km sections. Race details on the Ascot Webite, entrie opening Monday 13th Feb.
Brought to you by the kind folks at Canoeing Down Under, and Alarm Systems WA
Race Director is Dave Boldy city.lights.race@gmail.com or 0432 91 71 41.
[Disclosure: Yep, that's right. The same Bolders who drives this website is in charge of this race. So yes, he's going to promote the living daylights out it]
How many in Grid 2
I'm not much good at reading classes, would I be right in assuming grid two is going to be quite small? (around 9 entries = 18 boats)
Are the grids going to be put up on the site page as per the link yet to be activated (Click HERE for Grid Starts (wil be available after close of entries)
S2 - Grid?
18 Boats to grid 2 is not bad, in fact there are a fair few entries overall. How's the K2 field that would be a cracker start to watch. Do the S2's start in Grid 2 or Grid 3?
Not small but relative to other fields
I guess the 2nd grid won't be small, but given the entry numbers it will be by far the smallest grid.
Yes, the doubles would be great to watch over the first section of the race, do doubles wash ride as easily as singles?
wash ride
absolutely
hot field
Now, with all the late entries it looks scary. Who's taking the odds?
Todd & James? - no lack of power here. Led the CA in two boats until creamed by an angry Roll jr
Simon/Kevin? - simon fell out then won the CA last week. Kev is looking fit
Daz & Josh? - more cunning than a fox and some youth, but too much slalom and they'll be doing circles
Coran & Matt? - Seen this duo before. Not overweight. Coran has had time to get over the Murray.
Grant & Michael? - Age and youth. Grant had racing thrashed back into his system last week. Has Michael ever done this distance?
Lawrence & Geoff? - Did the last two City lights with Geoff. A good distance team if Lawrence can do the distance
Your own F & the Bin? - random. One of this duo will have to stretch to get a paddle in the water. Local knowledge may not help at high tide
and what of the K3's?
City lights partners
Well, I read this site often, however, have never logged in. I took the unusual pseudonym of "Lawrence" just to confuse people and remain anonymous! Thanks Fiasco, "if Lawrence can do the distance" for spurring me to register and reply. Having done 4 city lights in 2h.30m-2.40m, I think I'll be there! Hoping for a bumpy Narrows section as my K2 loves it, so do I. This is the best club race on the calendar, although exhausting, fantastic to pull in to the great food, music (Andrew Winton is just great) and camaraderie at Ascot. A great idea and format from the race creator Grant Pepper, a lot of work for the race organiser(s), thanks Dave B. It's a great K2 and K3 field with a lot of depth and talent. Kudos to any who do this in a single! I'd rather be in a kayak than a boat with only a hull (ski), threw that in just to add some controversy. Have fun, stay safe, see you at the end.
Sprint or River K2
It will be interesting to see who paddles a sprint K2 vs the river / Avon K2s as I can foresee the sprint K2s having dramas if the conditions are bumpy along the como foreshore.
k2
I paddled the Nelo K2 last year- no problem except getting swamped at the portage
Clarifying 'partners'
A couple of email have queried the partners thing. You still paddle the WHOLE race, but there must be two of you together minimum - whether 2 in single craft, or a K2/K3/K4/S2.
The rule originates from the safety requirements of a night race over stretches of fairly open water, but creates an interesting twist.
If the whole 30km is a bit much, you can enter as a relay team, with one pair doing the first 13km up to the Narrows and the 2nd taking over for the remaining 17km. One person could opt to paddle the whole way, with two partners - that's also fine.
Tough Race
I find this a very tough race; maybe because its in the summer when we only paddle shortish races, 14kms marathons, maybe, but also because the first part is in the afternoon heat.
Signed up mentally at least, hoping to borrow Terry's Mirage 580, to partner Tuppers in his Cleaver X. Masochist.
Always hurting by the end, and can't face food!
Want to hear Andrew Winton, tho'.
toughen up, paddles
better train a bit, then ;)
registrations
Currently only one team is registered for this race - Bolders and a Small Bolders. What is everyone else waiting for?
(I'm waiting to make sure my wrist doesn't flare up again . . . )
Yep and that's just a practice one!
Yep, but Noah (8) and his dad aren't really paddling. I was checking the online rego process, and finding the bits left in there from last year that need an update!
No great hurry to enter, but do give it a go.
Partner wanted for the City Lights race
Thanks for the great response everyone!
I don't know how to remove the post so i have just changed it so i don't have to let anyone else down.
Cheers
Plasticpaddler
changing topics - over 100 category
Well, changing topics to something entirely different - doing the race in pairs - I noticed that with the Rottnest swim, for the team part, they created categories similar to:
* 28+
* 50+
* 75+
* 100+
i.e. rather than do categories based on the age of the youngest competitor you sum the age of the team. I was thinking this could be something that could work well for city lights? And gives inter-generational teams a bit of a boost....
(PS I got 28+ straight off their website. They actually have 14 year olds swimming to Rotto?? And what is that category called? Veal?)
City Lights: craft clarification
Dave, I emailed this to your event enquiries address, but thought it might also be useful having an answer on RBP. cheers, Karen
I've not done this race before. eek. And might paddle a Molokai S2 (double Fenn Elite I think). As there's no S2 listed in the craft field, I'm guessing we should register as double kayak, rather than molokai ski, but thought I'd check. (You actually might get a few double molokais in the event – there seem to be more on the water than this time last year.)
Doubles of any kind
Yep double ski/kayak - either is fine. We'll probably get a few of the K3 racing too. Whether there is a double ski class or not we'll see, but either way no problem.
No 'eek required.
City Lights is a Teams race!
Isn't the city lights a team race where you have to do it in a double or two person team? If so I think this detracts from the event.
Therefore you need to plan well in advance by finding a partner in similar boat who runs at similar speed. Otherwise you may break the rules as the kayak police in their doubles rightly point out to you because they cant shake you of their wake!
Apart from this I agree this is a super event over a grown up distance and the city lights really are spectacular.
A word of warning though it pays to head for the swan brewery as you to avoid the shallow bits when running from canning river to the narrows. Sometimes those are rocks ahead and not peaceful birds watching the beautiful city lights.
Mike
2 x city lights =safety
because there aren't a lot of safety crew along the route. It makes a nice change, a bit like the Pairs Enduro, where you can work each other's wake.
Fiasco paired with Astro Boy?
Hey Fiasco ... any hints on who you might be pairing up with and in what craft? I wish I could handle my Viper off Como ... but that ain't gunna happen any time soon!
Fiasco still open
Well obviously not with you!
Vipers off Como foreshore in the afternoon- pretty damn gnarly concept. I've done it, but not at race pace.
I would rather like to do City Lights in a K2. I think I scared off last year's partner after running aground under the causeway. Need someone younger, taller, stronger and faster. Also need to consider marathons from now on as an early lead-in for Avon Descent K2's
Open Fiasco
Would you consider paddling a double ski?
yes
Okay, skis it is.
(wuss)
How about K2 in the Canning river ascent?
K2 OK
Your on!
Bin stood up
No go for Rookie + Fiasco, thanks for the offer if that's what it was ... oh younger and taller hehe. Looks like Bin just trumped me anyway ;-) Look out Bin & Fiasco on a K2? Or will Bin decide to do the PRS at the last minute?
I've already committed to a pair Molokai team with "AR Convert". I'd better get some kms in. Knowing him he has got a training plan mapped out already. The good part is if he overt-achieves and becomes a gun paddler by the race ... I wash ride him to the end ;-)
deadly combo
This morning was 4 weeks back since holiday, I took "the rope" off and did a half reasonable 19km Kent st weir and return, so end Feb should be good.
Bin & Fiasco set the over 35 (*sigh*) record for the Island to Island in September
solo lights
I'd love to see a solo category in City Lights!! If the issue is safety, make it open only to people who have done the race before, make us carry mobile phones and extra lights and wear PFDs, and make us produce a support person who promises to rescue us in case we quit (so that the organisers aren't saddled with that task). If AKC wants to keep the race primarily as a pairs race, then put all the prizes in pairs categories.
I think having a solo option would increase the number of paddlers in the event (and therefore - safety).
I may just have irrepressible faith in my inability to die, but what is the safety issue that makes this race safer in a pair? Doubles stand the same chance of getting run over by a power boat/TransPerth ferry as does a single boat. It's really hard to get lost (even for me) and the first 13km+ is in daylight anyway. You're never far away from the river bank once you get past Heirisson Island, and the last half of the race is in water so flat that it can lead to a catatomic stupor (AH! there's the danger . . .)
So, Dave, a solo category?? :-)
City Lights already walks a fine line
I'd have no problem with a single ski category (solo K1 would be more problematic), but it would face a strong chance of making already nervous river authorities say No to the event.
To hold the race, the Dept of Transport has to approve it. This year's event application is currently before them, with a Hazard and Risk Assessment, course maps, event rules and some lengthy justifications about holding an event that passes through 3 ski areas, open water sections and is held in half in the dark on navigable waters during a long weekend.
Let me be totally clear that race organisers (and previous competitors) have no qualms that the race is acceptably safe. We raise the bar on safety in a number of ways: previous experience necessary, no junior category, excessive lighting, racing in pairs, multiple checkpoint including a compulsory portage that avoid the issues created by the PWC area at the Narrows.
Because DoT and others (Swan River Trust, Aquatic Council etc) don't have a detailed grasp of the finer points of kayak/ski racing, we have to tread very carefully with this race in particular. For example, if a K1 or K2 capsized out in the middle of Perth Water, we know as paddlers that a powered sweep boat is not likly to be much use - it isn't usually possible to empty a K1, position it alongside and remount it in choppy waters alongside a runabout. So we don't see much value in having powered craft follow the fleet. Our race is so spread out that it is also unlikely they would observe the problem unless we had a support boat for every paddler. Asking paddlers to help each other is better. I still waiting to see if DoT makes race approval conditional on powered support craft none-the-less, as that is what they are used to.
The race requires permits from City of Canning (start), City of Sotuh Perth (checkpoint), approval from Transport, agreement from the Aquatic Council (avoiding clashes e.g. South Perth Yacht club has a race finishing at 5:30pm the same evening). These things drive some of the rules that can to competitors seem a little 'overdone'.
City lights
I have done the city lights for about the last 5 years and think the format (pairs) is great and something I look forward to. To race 30 k's solo is very tough so having a partner eases some of the pain and certainly helps you get through to the end.
Seriously (?) ski girl I couldn't see you doing it solo, But if there was a solo category I would probably give it a crack.
RA
RA squirts zippo on SG's fire!
RA: You are a brave man! Don't think Ski Girl could do it solo? I've got a feeling you might hear back from her ... and maybe that was your intention ;-)
there's no fire
Just one SG with somewhat hurt feelings.
City Lights Pairs
I think the main driver for the pairs approach is more to do with water safety, and a twilight paddle. Bolders could clarify that bit.
I kinda like the pairs approach. There are plenty of solo distance races out there already. I think this and the AKC Pairs Enduro are the only pairs races we have.
I like the idea of having to work together, and utilise wash riding skills. Some pairs even coordinate their efforts with other pairs to get small convoys happening, which can be pretty fast.
I think it also gives newer paddlers, approaching their first long distance event, a little more confidence knowing that if they team up with a more experienced paddler, they should be able to get wash assistance if/when they tire. Some also like knowing they are in a pair when venturing out into the wider expanses of the Swan that can be choppy in a SW wind. Then for those not up for the distance can enter as a team of 4.
The main suggestion I have had from others, is that they would appreciate late entry fee and enter on the day. I believe a few paddlers have missed out hoping to enter on the day. That said, it is well posted that they don't accept entries on the day, so paddlers just need to be a bit more organised up front.
Complete Novice to this form of racing
Being a complete novice to this pairs racing thing, can one pair wash rider another pair. Is there a Etiquet to follow in this regard?
What tactics do people employ with taking turns.
Rookie are we coming out of the closet yet :)
Pairs of Pairs
Bolders should be able to confirm, but I'm pretty sure pairs can wash ride pairs, not much choice at the start when everyone is together regardless.
I think general etiquette is that you should only wash ride in your own class. However, we all know what happens when doubles pull through a singles fleet ... get on and see how long you can hold on!
OK ARconvert, we can come out of the closet ... we are pairing up for this one, just don't tell the missus.
It's a safety rule - wash ride who you like
The rule about pairs is to eliminate the risk of a solo capsize far from shore in the dark. You stick close enough to your partner to be 'with them' if there is a problem. If you have a clever brain, you will wash ride together because it makes life easier for both of you - if you are even you will take turns to lead, and if you discover one is stronger than the other then they will lead continually.
The dumbest thing I've seen is the stronger paddler staying 10m in front of the other nagging and cajouling them to go faster - drop back and give them a wash lead, and if they say they are giving it their best shot, shut up or say something encouraging!
As for the rest of the race fleet, wash ride whoever you can and make the most of it. We also can't do much about wash from other craft on the river, so make the most of that too. I will disqualify you if your mate drives a runabout in front of you while you follow right behind his outboard, and I'll get steamed up if you are reported to spend the second half of the event stuck to the back of a wine cruiser making small talk with the passengers.
Team race
The reason the race has to be done with a partner is for safety (it is a night race), so it is more than just a spurious regulation enforced by the 'kayak police'. Personally, I think it adds another dimension to an already interesting paddle (if you chose to go in a single boat) and helps encourage doubles, which is also something we need to see more of.
This is a beautiful race, it is interesting and tactical, with varied conditions the whole way, the scenery is great, and the BBQ in the end is always something. It is a race that stands out in my mind, not least because it is the first race I ever did.
Thanks for organizing it this year Dave - I am sure it will be great and I am really looking forward to it.
City Lights grids
City Lights is indeed an awesome event, somehow you forget the pain when you arrive at the bbq.
I like the idea of having presos before the winners have left - are you thinking about increasing the time between grids (could you then have two briefings, so grid three doesn't have to sit around for an hour??)? Or seeding people into different grids based on what you know about their speeds?
Looking forward to it Bolders, Bae and I will be there, and request grid one please, so there is still food left when we stagger across the line!
City Lights and Bolders
All rightey then, here comes another big one. For some reason I like this event. Well I like the lead up, the twilight paddling, novelty of a portage at the narrows, the city views, the pairs paddling, and the social event after. The last 8 to 10 kms are well to put it nicely, challenging, and kind of like an Avon, you forget the pain in between.
MOC are hoping to have a couple of yellow shirt teams there this year, cross fingers we have good club representation and even better if we can team up.
Dunno about the race organiser though, must have bolders in his head for organising and (assumed) racing. Or maybe it is his way of getting out of doing the hard slog ... so ...
Bolders: Will you be racing too?
Responsibilities on the bank
'Tis a fabulous race, he says unbiasedly. I shall be watching from the shore, so I can say "go" and fiddle with Excel spreadsheets. It's my express aim to have the race presentations before the winners have showered, eaten, got bored and left. Not that I'm saying that ever happens at paddling events.