Paddle Selection
Submitted by bolders on Sat, 10/01/2011 - 06:05
I've got two functional racing paddles. My main one is fixed shaft, carbon shaft - carbon blade. As is mentioned below, once you get a love affair with a paddle you like it's worth sticking with. It has a fairly small offset angle because I've had wrist problems with the Avon previously and wanted to minimise rotation on my right wrist. I think it's 212cm but I don't check it 'cos it doesn't adjust unless I unglued the hot glue. It's a ripper. The other one is a Solution, also a good paddle but has a very different feel to it so I don't generally swap back and forth.
Paddles
Like fiasco says, once you like a paddle it's hard to go to anything else. I'm not sure about the difference between the teardrop and parallel shape paddle blades, I think it might make a difference to how the blades move through the water and how much "lift" you get from the stroke. From my minimal experience, Touring blades (as opposed to racing blades) often appear to be narrower (someone might need to check the accuracy of that statement!).
I always feel that if you're going to buy a paddle, buy the BEST one you can stretch your finances to. Several reasons - firstly, a couple of hundred dollars difference in paddles will make a huge difference (to your speed and comfort), however the same money buying a boat will make almost no difference. Secondly, you will spend a lot of time lifting and moving that paddle around, and small weight differences in the paddle will make a big difference to your joints over time. Thirdly, people will often buy a new boat, but very seldom buy a new paddle if theirs is still functional, so get the best at the start!
I have to admit that I have the Epic mid-wing, and I don't know whether the fact that it's an older one makes a difference to it's strength, but I love it and it's gone through a lot. However, wing blades will tend to break more over time if you use them in the surf/white water as they're not designed to be used in a bracing stroke, only in forward (racing) strokes.
tear drop or parallel edge
Hello out there,
I am in the process of buying my first wing paddle, having used a club one for six months or so. I am currently trialling a parallel edge blade as opposed to the more common tear drop shape. Does anyone have any opinions or suggestions about the merits of one type over the other?
Thanks
get one and use it until you can
you always feel unusal swapping paddles. particularly going to a wing. Just got to get used to it.
the style of stroke is different. The wing stroke starts close and moves out from the side of the boat in the second half of the stroke. This must be combined with body rotation.
the wing blade grips in turbulent water. You will never go back to a flat blade because it will feel unsafe.
A full carbon blade feels very stiff. A plastic wing blade is prone to breaking, especially if you do a lot of back of blade bracing.
New paddle recommendations
I'm hoping to be in some extra money soon and I want to spend it on a new fully adjustable paddle (see comments below). I'd like to here from anyone who could recommend me one...Here's my criteria/specs
1. adjustable length (i'm 6ft)
2. adjustable offset
3. strong
4. worth the money
5. absolutely won't slip out of place
Here's some of my specs
3. I paddle a spirit racing ski (fold back rudder) and i'm happy to stick with that for the next couple of years.
4. I'm a novice paddler with dreams of becoming reasonable for my age (41)
6. I don't mind the ocean if it's fairly calm
7. I'm mainly in the river though
8. I'm gonna attempt the avon descent... one day.
9. I like to pretend I'm an awesome paddler when i paddle past school kids in their kayaks.
If anyone knows where I can look/touch/try/buy one locally of your recommended paddle that'd be cool too... is it worth considering buying one on the net??
Epic Paddles
Epic branded paddles had a bad rap over the weekend. I think 2 broke during the race for some competitors. I was behind one of the Bakers (I think - in a PRS), when his paddle broke. 1 blade just came off....
Mongrel still managed to beat me though!
Trying the Epic
Hi Rookie!
Yep, I live around the corner from you in Warnbro. However, I am off for a four week whitewater trip in NZ this weekend (he he he) so unless you catch me before then you'll have to sweet talk the guys at the Yak Shack or Kayaks-4-U. They have a few epic paddles, but it is possible that they are not getting any more, as the price has jumped ridiculously (almost prohibitively) since I bought mine. My understanding is that one of the paddle shops in Perth might have some.
Give me a yell (0415 823 125) before I go and you can try the epic (please ring in the afternoon/evening as I have a few night call outs this week and might be sleeping in the morning).
There are a few other good paddles around - my other advice would be to catch up with the flat water/surf club boys in Mandurah on a Saturday Morning (at the new Dome around the corner on the beach front) and see what they have to say (not this weekend, they're all going to Bunbury). And/or ask around at any races you attend to see what people say. The great thing about paddles is that everyone has an opinion! (Deep_H20 swears by his Lettman paddle from South Africa, and I have a great Brasca polo paddle).
(As far as the marital issues - maybe take your wife paddling! Doesn't help the shuttle bunny issue, but does help with the concept of a new paddle/boat/PFD etc. My boyfriend and I have 13 boats between us - as well as the rest of the gear).
Epic paddles...
Hi Pete, my name is princess and I'm a paddleholic too...
I had a few problems sorting out paddles when I first went to long boats. This wasn't helped by the fact that I already had 2 polo paddles with a 90 degree offset and was using a borrowed whitewater paddle with a 30 degree offset. A paddler that I respect very much showed me his epic paddle, and I gave one a try. I absolutely love my epic paddle (so much that I bough a second, backup one). They were NOT cheap, as I got a very light version which has 10cm of length adjustment and the blade offset can be adjusted as well. I think a great paddle is the best investment I ever made for paddling, for several reasons:
1) You don't pick up as many bad habits when using good equipment
2) The wear and tear on the body (especially the shoulders and wrists) is minimised when you are using a light blade than can be adjsuted to your style and the type of paddling you are doing (as ski girl mentioned).
If I was starting paddling again, I would spend my money on a great paddle and a good boat as opposed to the other way around. Boats come and go, but paddles are generally used until they fall apart. If you consider how much time you spend waving a paddle around in the air while paddling, you can also see why every gram counts in wear and tear on the joints.
The epic mid-wing (200-210 cm - but I'm 181cm and relatively strong for a woman paddler when I'm in training) worked for me - but everyone has a different perfect paddle. Try lots before you buy!
hmmm I think I must have bought my soapbox again... sorry!
Addictions and Paddles
Hey Princess!
My name is Rookie, I am a paddle-a-holic. It first started as just a bit of fun, now I am accumulating boats and risking my marriage in search of shuttle-bunnies :-)
I am considering a new paddle. I have an old carbon Solution large wing, which is nice and light, but just too big. Wore me out on longer paddles, and seemed to give me shoulder issues.
My avon paddle is a Max Paddle M3 (Kevlar blade, generally set to 210 to 212cm and 60°). Nice paddle for the long stuff, maybe a fraction too small for Ocean racing, particularly down-wind, but it gets me by and is kind on the body. A little heavier than carbon, but great for rocks!
I am keen to try out an Epic mid-wing for flat water and ocean. Sounds like a good in-between paddle, maybe I need to go for a smaller blade (75kg light weight paddler).
Do you know any distributors down south that have any to try? If not, any chance of meeting up one day for a paddle somewhere and a paddle swap? I am in Waikiki and believe you are South of river too. I recall seeing you at MPC events.
Happy Paddling, and I hope that nobody finds a cure to our addiction!
Now get back on your soap box, so RBP's have more good stuff to read :-)
Princess/ Rookie
I can't believe you guys! You know each other! The last time we all were together was in 98 at the top of extracts! And I think that you will find DeepH2o had a Jantex/Bennett!
Incognito ...
Yea, I think I'm up to speed now ... I know a couple of Pilbara Paddlers, and think I am on to this one. If so the number 660 would mean something to the paddler in question.
Poor DeepH2O, and the Jantex/Bennett ... a sad day in deed. Who knows, one day it might wash up on the Northern shores.
Craig at Mainpeak?
Hi Ski Girl,
Is this the same Craig that was with oyu at teh Avon? do they lend out paddles for trials?
MP Craig
Hi Wally-
Yep same Craig, he's now at the Cott store, and I have borrowed a demo paddle from MP before so as long as they have one I'm sure you could borrow it.
See you soon!!
My paddle blade just snapped in half
I was taking my new Spirit Racing ski out yesterday from the old riverton bridge to the south of perth yacht club and back. All was going well (really well) til coming back past the canning bridge. All of a sudden I lifted up my paddle and saw the right blade snapped at the neck of the blade! "Son of a... gun", the first (and only) time i didn't bother bringing my mobile phone. I scrambled back to deep water point and 5 hours later got a lift back to my car at riverton. All that fun aside, I was shocked that a blade can just snap like that... given it was a second hand cheapy I guess that was coming for me.
So, I too need a new/another paddle. I have a another fibreglass shaft paddle but the offset angle of the blade isn't right for me... Can I somehow get the blade 'repositioned', or is it not worth it money wise and just buy a new one? I'm a newbie so i don't need a flash one, just a decent one... I'm not that fussy except for the angle being right.
Do those paddles that unscrew into two pieces have the ability to change the offset blade angle?
Ta
Pete
deepwater point with a broken paddle
...and you were just so close to a number of people who could have loaned you a paddle! :(
Try before you buy...
Pete,
I've just moved from a flat blade to a wing, some of the vendors around town will allow you to access a demo paddle, this proved invaluable for me.
I've ended up with the lower end Spirit wing, but went the extra mile and had a smart shaft installed (variable length and offset) and a right hand locator installed while they had it cut in half (stops the paddle rotating in my right hand in the power phase).
It's allowed me to tune the paddle, as I'm currently settling with a shorter overall length than I was advised to buy and what is probably a slightly lower offset than most production paddles.
If you are not confident of installing the smart shaft yourself the shops will be able to do it for you, this might be a cheaper solution for the paddle you already have,
Cheers
SW
smart shaft
thanks for that, I think the variable offset might be the go... as for the length. I think i've got that sussed, maybe a just a bit longer than i had... I'm 183cm/6ft.
smartshaft
I changed my length/angle as I learned to paddle better. Now I make fine adjustments, eg
Today at teh sprint regatta there was a brisk tail wind, so I went out a cm. Paddling K2 (and esp K4) I extend by 2-3 cm to keep my rating in-time with the other guy and a faster moving boat.
it's all in the length
Hi Pete-
I'm now on paddle #4 in less than 4 years of paddling . . . and I've gone down from 212cm to 206 to now 208 which is possibly still 2cm too long for me in the ocean (I'm 173cm). I wish I had orignially ponied up the bucks for a nice light ADJUSTABLE paddle that allowed me to play with length and offset as I've spent over $1,000 on paddles.
So my advice to you, a person obviously addicted to paddling already, would be to admit the addiction and get a good quality adjustable paddle. It will save you money in the long run (tell the wife that).
You'll want a shorter length paddle for the ocean than for long distance flat water paddling, so getting one paddle that you can shorten or lengthen as required makes some sense.
Ask the Winged Paddler how many boats and paddles he has . . . ;-)
It's not just length!
Ski Girl,
“it's all in the length”???? How about the girth & feel of the shaft (carbon, thick)? Maybe there is also something to be said for the angle of entry (how laid back the blade is...)? What about the rotation of the blade & your ability to play around with it? Adjustable shafts... now that sounds like it could hurt! (They are actually a really good idea).
Sorry Ski Girl, but you started it!
FYI, I've no idea how many paddles I have, however I'm down to 3 boats! Not bad for a land-locked paddler.
Cheers,
WP
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paddles, and more paddles
Hi everyone, My name Pete, and I'm an paddleholic.
Thanks for that... Hmm now that's got me thinking! Where does one buy a fully adjustable paddle from?
My girlfriend thought the wife bit was funny too ;)
paddleholic
Good that you can admit the problem. That's the first step in fixing it.
Epic sells a lovely paddle called the midwing, which I believe are sold at Kayaks 4 U in Mandurah.
However, the truly addicted will travel miles to get their fix, which may best be scratched by speaking to another paddle addict - head to Mainpeak in Cott and speak to Craig. Tell him Ski Girl sent you. A veritable font of knowledge on all things paddling.
Paddle selection?
Do you have any thoughts on paddle selection WP? I am looking for a new blade solely for endurance and white water events (Avon, XPD types)and I really don't know where to start.
Re Paddle Section
Wally,
I've used http://www.jgut.cz/Gut_Paddles.htm for many years, and prior to that used the G-Force from http://www.competitionkayaks.com.au/ (Now that was a paddle love affair)
The problem here is that paddles are very personal, and you may hate a paddle that another paddler loves.
I think that the best thing to do is turn up to either the Swan CC (Mosman Bay Friday evening) or Ascot CC (Ascot wedneday evening) & ask around. Most are happy for you to take their paddles for a quick test after the race.
Another thing to consider is that the paddles made by Spirit & Finn are pretty good. I did 3 or 4 Avons with a Spirit blade (plastic) some years ago, and found them a good balance of cost, feel in the water & strength.
Good luck! WP.